17 March 2011 @ 01:34 am
Ever wondered where/when the princesses' movies take place?  
I asked this some years ago on a Disney forum and got nothing but "they all take place in a magical fantasy land far far away!" for an answer. Hopefully I can get a little more expansive thoughts here.

Beauty and the Beast is obviously set in 18th century French countryside, Aladdin is Medieval Arabian Peninsula, and Princess and the Frog is Prohibition-Era New Orleans, but what about the others? My guesses:

Snow White: Renaissance-Era Germany or possibly Switzerland
Cinderella: 18th Century France (Chateaus, French names, etc)
Sleeping Beauty: Medieval England
Little Mermaid: 19th Century Denmark (Caribbean-accented characters aside, I'm basing this one off of the architecture and technology presented in the film, as well as the story's origin)

Yes, I edited the post...I accidentally sent several drafts to the queue and the first one is the one that was accepted.
 
 
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ღ「A★KiNG!」: {HAPPY} - Ariel daydream swimsonicelectronic on March 17th, 2011 08:14 am (UTC)
Sleeping Beauty is based in Medieval Germany, not England. Her castle is based on Schloss Neuschwanstein, a German castle- and the story itself has German roots. Snow White is also German.

I remember in a book it said which version of Cinderella the movie version was based on and I think it was the French one.
Softpaw,  the fae kitty of roses and columbinesoftpaw on March 17th, 2011 08:18 am (UTC)
Yes Disney's Cinderella is based on Perralt's version of the story, so it would be French.

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ღ「A★KiNG!」: {FREE} - Rapunzel's diarysonicelectronic on March 17th, 2011 08:42 am (UTC)
Thanks! I couldn't remember the spelling of his name so I left the name out. XD <3
princesse des reveskirakirajenjen on March 17th, 2011 03:04 pm (UTC)
Sleeping Beauty is based on the Charles Perralt's version of the story, which is French. However, the location of the movie is more ambiguous.
The puriny one: Hmmm... Scarmogumogu on March 17th, 2011 04:17 pm (UTC)
Well, Pinocchio is an Italian story and the movie seems to take place in, like, Austria, so...

Disney takes a few liberties with stuff like that.
Jennifeffa Barbie™yuna_hime on March 17th, 2011 04:22 pm (UTC)
I always pictured it as being the section of Italy closest to the Alps, since you see some mountains while Geppetto's wishing on a star.
Ms. Pollenpuff: Rapunzeldestructogirl77 on March 17th, 2011 04:34 pm (UTC)
Pinocchio's village was modeled on the mediaeval city of Rothenburg in Bavaria, but the original story is Italian.
Ms. Pollenpuff: goshposhdestructogirl77 on March 17th, 2011 04:38 pm (UTC)
I can't spell.
Sailor Donut: Ariel splashjeweledeyes on March 17th, 2011 09:04 am (UTC)
I agree about the Little Mermaid, aside from Sebastian it seems to fit best. Eric's kingdom seems especially Danish to me, and a lot of the characters have names that would fit that location.
Abigail: Kingdom Hearts Squaremdmbrightside on March 17th, 2011 09:08 am (UTC)
This is often a hotly contested debate, but I'll throw my opinions in the ring! I tend to use architecture and language as a guide for what era the movie's supposedly based in (never costuming, as that's all sorts of anachronistic in a Disney film), but on the whole I consider the films to take place in "Magical Europe," which has magic and no concept of history.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: Medieval Germany. This one is widely accepted but I couldn't really tell you why. The Queen's original name was Grimhilde, the word dwarfs is a more Germanic spelling than the English dwarves, and many of the concept artists imported from Europe were German. The movie has a German look, so Snow White usually gets to be Germanic.

Cinderella: Early 1700s France. Cinderella lives in a Chateau, the mouse's name is Jacques, the ladies at court are addressed as Mademoiselle, and the furniture/architecture is a dead ringer for French Rococo.

Sleeping Beauty: I will get furniture thrown at me, but 1300s Northern Italy. Almost all the names have Latin origins: Aurora, Stefan, Flora, Fauna, and Maleficent. In my heart of hearts, I'd have to say the architecture of the film comes from the Netherlands as seen in tapestries, illuminated manuscripts, and the work of Dutch masters like Van Eyck. I think I prefer Northern Italy because the kingdoms (rather, duchys) would be smaller in size and easier for kings (or dukes) to travel between.

The Little Mermaid: There is tropical aquatic life off the coast, so Portugal. Big on sailing? Check. Rocky coastlines? Check. Palm trees? Check. Could it also be Spain? Sure, why not. Any reason to prefer Portugal? I like the idea of Triton's merkingdom being in the mid-Atlantic.
Kartos Dal'Avier: Ligia in the waterkartos on March 17th, 2011 09:57 am (UTC)
One could reasonably argue that anywhere near the Mediterranean for Little Mermaid. I mean, Triton. For those that don't know, he's Poseidon's son, and that is the stomping grounds of that pantheon.

Hahaha just read this: "Triton was often multiplied into a host of sea-spirits called Tritones which were regarded as satyr-like daimones of the sea." Satyrs amuse me beyond words, so to imagine Triton as one? Hilarity.

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Abigail: Jackson LOLmdmbrightside on March 17th, 2011 10:28 am (UTC)
Now I'm imagining Triton as Capricorn, the most awesome of sea-goats XD


Triton's kingdom could honestly be anywhere along that southern European coast but being Greek in origin (and beard) would easily put Triton in the Mediterranean.
Kartos Dal'Avier: Ariel and Gabekartos on March 17th, 2011 08:22 pm (UTC)
LOL I will never get that image out of my head...!
BGE: Flynn and Rapunzelbehindgrey_eyes on March 17th, 2011 10:33 am (UTC)
I think most of them do have quite a specific place, but TLM is always more confusing. I once heard that Eric was Spanish :D

I always thought of Sleeping Beauty to be English as well tbh. I kind of like to think that they're two grumpy old English kings XD
Aratelinwen: Storybook Endingaratelinwen on March 17th, 2011 01:00 pm (UTC)
Sleeping Beauty is actually based in France. (Can't remember what century tho.) Disney acknowledges this by having Aurora meet in France at EPCOT. Also, if you have ever driven through the country France, itself, her castle is there. (It's absolutly gorgeous!) Also, for various projects, I found that the first half of Perrault's version of the story, very closely resembles Walt's movie. Just don't read the second half, or beware some nightmares.(This makes sense, as Walt claims that he only relied on Perrault's Cinderella, and what better way to save time and money then by using the same author for both stories.)

I agree with everyone else tho: Snow White- Germany, Cinderella- France, and The Little Mermaid- Denmark because of Hans Christian Anderson.
Ms. Pollenpuff: two chickens or best offerdestructogirl77 on March 17th, 2011 04:30 pm (UTC)
As to when, in the movie Phillip says "Now, father, you're living in the past. This is the 14th century!"

Aratelinwen: Graveyardaratelinwen on March 18th, 2011 02:33 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I'm totally lacking sleep, because work is pushing me this week. (Just gonna get worse, as it is Spring Break season.)
Abigail: Briar Rosemdmbrightside on March 17th, 2011 06:00 pm (UTC)
Also, if you have ever driven through the country France, itself, her castle is there. (It's absolutly gorgeous!)

Do you mean this castle?


If so, can we also argue Aurora's Californian and Cinderella's Floridian?

Kidding aside, I think you're referring to the Chateau d'Usse, which Perrault supposedly had in mind when adapting Sleeping Beauty.
Aratelinwen: Healingaratelinwen on March 18th, 2011 02:35 pm (UTC)
LOL! You got me there. Altho, I'm pretty sure France put up a fight in their castle design, so it's technically no one's castle, but a generic "fantasy" castle, because of how all the castles in the movies were based on real castles.

Actually, yes, it was the Chateau d'Usse. Our tour guide pointed it out as "Sleeping Beauty's castle".
princesse des reveskirakirajenjen on March 17th, 2011 03:10 pm (UTC)
As far as I know, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella take place in France, as well as Beauty and the Beast (but that's quite obvious XD)
Snow White I would say Germany as well.
I always thought that Eric looked Mediterranean, so maybe Greece or somewhere in the area? There is also the legends of the Sirens from that area.
As for Rapunzel, I'm wondering if it's supposed to be somewhere in Scandenavia since the guys in the pub kind of looks like Vikings. But it also might be Germany due to names sounding pretty Germanic.
Jennifeffa Barbie™: Arielyuna_hime on March 17th, 2011 04:26 pm (UTC)
I agree, I always pictured the Little Mermaid taking place somewhere in the Mediterranean. The castle alone looks very Mediterranean.
werkelijkheid90: arielwerkelijkheid90 on March 17th, 2011 03:59 pm (UTC)
I think with most of the Disney princess movies (TLM, especially) you kind of just have to think of them as existing in their own little Disney AU, or at least I do. I've tried to pinpoint locations in the world and history for each story, but it can get frustrating when the pieces don't fit as they should.

So, IDK, that's just how I look at it.
BGE: Eric and Ariel are the cutest ever!behindgrey_eyes on March 17th, 2011 04:46 pm (UTC)
I just suddenly thought about Rapunzel, that could be set ANYWHERE XD
huit: Rose of Versailleshuit on March 17th, 2011 05:50 pm (UTC)
LOL, we were debating this for The Little Mermaid not too long ago. We were trying to figure it out based on the architecture but eventually gave up. If I knew more about ship designs I'd try going off off that.

Most fairy tales, especially Disney movies, I assume to take place "nowhere" or "anywhere" just because they've been re-appropriated so many times. Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella don't really seem to have a set time or location from what I can tell, it's just generalized fantasy, especially since they leave out any kind of city scene (showing shops, transportation, etc) that would give good clues. I see Cinderella-like castles pop up all the time in fairy tales - even if it's smack dab in the middle of Paris - so castle styles don't really help much.

Lady and the Tramp is obviously turn of the century Americana (I always assumed New York or elsewhere in New England), and Pinocchio seems to take place in a very condensed version of western Europe though primarily Italy. The Little Mermaid gives barely enough information to show it's semi-historical but it's still hard to place other than a coastal country.
Renakichan on March 17th, 2011 07:16 pm (UTC)
I always tried to guess this based on what they wear. If you take that into account, Little Mermaid is in a REALLY weird place and I'm not going to bother even -trying- placing it.

The only one I've really been able to get a handle on is Cinderella.

Cinderella is definitely Victorian, and probably in a small country bordering France. Walt himself had a fondness for the 1890s, and MOST of the clothing and the interiors of the houses and the hair ('cept for a few exceptions; Cindy's hair, her wedding dress (which is so very 40s), her work dress) match up. There's lots of bustles, some very textbook Victorian clothing in the background, Cinderella's mother's "old-fashioned" dress looks like it could be from Regency, and the clothes the little stepsisters and Cindy and her father wear are very early Victorian looking, the Prince/King/Duke are wearing 19th century formal military jackets with epaulets and decorations, and Tremaine is always dressed in old lady Victorian chic.

Beauty and the Beast is a little more confusing. It's got some Rococo (which would be mid to late 18th century) elements, some Baroque elements (late 16th to early 18th century), although they mention Baroque in the movie, so I'm guessing it's not Baroque (don't fix it). I'm also going to guess, based on what Cogsworth says, that it's been some time since the Baroque period. "As you can see, the pseudo facade was stripped away to reveal a minimalist rococo design. Note the unusual inverted vaulted ceilings. This is yet another example of the neo-classic baroque period..."

I actually think that's a joke about how Cogsworth has NO IDEA what he's talking about, but it does give some clues. This is definitely after Baroque, it's at least long enough for Rococo to have been covered up. The neo-classic period came after Rococo. Based on all this and the clothes Belle and the Beast wear, I'm going to say that it's actually mid-19th century, which is after the French Revolution AND Napoleon. The Royalists came back to power in France with a Consitutional monarchy, which would allow for Beast to be a Prince (not THE prince, just a prince) with some power/money.

Snow White? Probably Germanic, probably medieval, especially based on clothing/architecture.
Shizuka: snow white & cinderella & aurorashizuka85 on March 17th, 2011 08:01 pm (UTC)
I always considered them to be nonexistent fictional kingdoms.
Gracesaku_teiki on March 17th, 2011 10:28 pm (UTC)
I watched Aladdin a couple weeks ago and during "A Whole New World" they glide past a man working on the Sphinx. Also, the Greeks (or Romans...) are still around. So I wouldn't call that medieval at all. Definitely BCE.

I felt stupid while watching Mulan last night because I majored in East Asian Studies and I couldn't remember what time period it was. >_>
The puriny one: *lurk* Jafarmogumogu on March 17th, 2011 11:01 pm (UTC)
I think it's supposed to be the Tang dynasty, the commentary said.
wardah_ahmar on March 18th, 2011 03:28 am (UTC)
I remember seeing something on the Disney Channel back in the day that said Sleeping Beauty's art direction was inspired by Russian folk art. Take from that what you will.
themermaidgirlthemermaidgirl on March 18th, 2011 04:30 am (UTC)
There's a globe in Tokyo Disneyland where it shows Ursula's placement on the map.

ariel's grotto
ladyorihime: Ariel: Looking at Eric's Castleladyorihime on March 21st, 2011 01:59 pm (UTC)
Going by that, Mer du Norad is the North Sea (marginal sea of the Atlantic Ocean), which is located between Great Britain and Scandinavia, so it could very well be set in Denmark.

But then I don't understand why Labrador (Newfoundland and Labrador is a Canadian Atlantic province) is shown so close to the North Sea, when Canada doesn't border it.
spinflowersspinflowers on March 18th, 2011 05:54 am (UTC)
Doesn't the Princess and the Frog take place in '26? I think prohibition was over at that point.
madison_face09madison_face09 on September 25th, 2011 07:59 pm (UTC)
I JUST watched Snow White the other night and I remember while Snow White is cleaning the dwarve's house, the animals are encountering a lot of those whatchamacallit German cup things. (I'll ask my mom what they're called in a minute, as she's German). Other than that, the forest is a major element in the film and Germany has The Black Forest. Plus, aren't there mountains in the background while she's picking flowers? So, I say her little kingdom is someplace in Germany. Plus, she was in Germamy in Epcot when I met her last year.

I say Cinderella is in a little country (it says so in the film, a tiny kingdom) on the French-German border. They have a lot of French themes in the movie but I think someone said that the clothes are more German. And I thought it was Cinderella's castle that was based on Neuschwanstein, not Aurora. Due to the castle thing, I always said that Cinderella was in Germany but after watching the movie more recently and hearing all the French words/names, I said she was in France. She was in France at Epcot too, I think. So, anyway...

The clothing/furniture in Sleeping Beauty looks like it's in Medieval England, and it just seems right for her to be in England. I decided that Aurora's family rules England while Phillip's rules Scotland, and I think I'll always maintain that theory. I hate the idea of Aurora being in Italy, or the Alps, or Germany.

As for TLM, that's a hard one. I am of the those who think she's in Denmark. Eric, despite the spelling of this one, is Scandanavian, and, I agree, the architecture and technology in the film appears to be in Denmark. I haven't really cared for time periods, except Aurora's, so....

And even though you don't have Rapunzel on there, I say she's Irish. Flynn is an Irish name and I'm judging also by the landscape and the vikings in the bar (Vikings came to Ireland, too). Plus, the music she's dancing to in the town before the lanterns seems Celtic.

I recently wrote a topic about the same thing, that's how I got here
madison_face09madison_face09 on September 25th, 2011 08:08 pm (UTC)
Beer steins are what the cups are. There are a lot of them in the dwarve's house