14 August 2012 @ 03:30 am
More On Frozen: Double Queens?  

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From the New York Times synopsis:

When Anna is cursed by her estranged sister, the cold-hearted Snow Queen, Anna's only hope of reversing the curse is to survive a perilous but thrilling journey across an icy and unforgiving landscape. Joined by a rugged, thrill-seeking outdoorsman, his one-antlered reindeer and a hapless snowman, Anna must race against time, conquer the elements and battle an army of menacing snowmen if she ever hopes to melt her frozen heart.



...Disney will be inducting new Princesses, skipping over the awkward 11 and heading straight on to 12? My guess at the moment is maybe, but unlikely. Merchandising usually relies on a character's pre-film state (Rapunzel keeps her lengthy locks, Ariel is more mermaid than human, Mulan is in her hanfu, etc), so they wouldn't be able to induct the Snow Queen without spoiling that she returned to a human Princess (if that is what happens).

And after reading this new synopsis, I want a more unique ending - instead of Elsa turning human again, Anna discovers her own supernatural ability and becomes a Queen herself (Spring Queen?) to match and make peace with her sister. I'm also well-aware that idea has a snowball's chance in heck of that happening.

What's likely the plot is some sort of sibling rivalry storyline: Anna is the preferred Princess (though maybe younger) and Elsa, who wants to be Queen and feels pushed aside by her family, accepts some dark magic that allows her to curse her former kingdom and become a Queen in her own right. Anna sets off after her sister, has adventure, Elsa sees the light in her sister's determination to save her, returns to her former state, and supports or rules alongside her sister. Roll credits.

From FirstShowing:

After all of that, we got a quick glimpse at Disney's new film, Frozen, their next CG animated project that's loosely based on Hans Christian Anderson's "The Snow Queen." The musical stars Broadway legend Idina Menzel as Elsa, a queen in self-imposed exile, and Kristen Bell as her sister Anna, who, along with a mountain man named Kristoff, travels into the icy wilderness to track find her sister and bring her home. Bobby Lopez (Book of Mormon, Winnie the Pooh) and his wife Kristen are writing the songs for this movie, and along with Menzel's talents, we'll also be hearing Bell's singing voice too. (The younger actress also got her start on Broadway.)

We saw some concept art for the various characters in Frozen (a goofy enchanted snowman named Olaf and a bizarre reindeer named Sven look to be the comic relief) and some dazzling locations, like a castle nestled into a gorgeous mountain range with interior designs that had a beautiful, ethereal, classic Sleeping Beauty look to them. There were also research photos from the crew's trip to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, where they trudged through ten feet of snow to get an up close experience regarding how those motions look and feel so they can incorporate it into the film.

From IGN:

While paying a visit to Walt Disney Animation Studios for their upcoming feature Wreck-It Ralph, IGN was fortunate enough to also sneak a peek at their next project, Frozen.

When it was first announced, we learned that the CG musical film told the story of the fabled Snow Queen, loosely based on the Hans Christian Anderson fairytale. We've also known for about a month now that Kristen Bell and Idina Menzel are set to voice the lead roles. More recently, we discovered where the movie has drawn its inspiration.

"This is going to be a world that is inspired by the real, rugged, majestic beauty of Norway," said Emily Thompson, Senior Manager of Communications at Disney Animation. "Even though the story won’t necessarily take place in a specific time or location, that’s our inspiration."

At its heart, though, Frozen tells the story between two sisters, Anna (Bell) and Elsa (Menzel). "They do a really, really fantastic job together," continued Thompson. "Anna and her partner in crime, Kristoff -- he’s kind of a rugged mountain man -- they set off on a journey to find Anna’s sister the Snow Queen, Elsa, who’s banished herself to the mountains where she’s built this beautiful snow palace; she’s in this kind of self-imposed exile. So they’re going to find Elsa and bring her back."

This is all in order to save Anna's kingdom, which has been cursed in eternal winter. "Along the way, they meet up with this enchanted snow man Olaf, who provides a lot of the comic relief. Then there’s also a mangy looking reindeer named Sven."

The Disney project, which was originally shelved back in 2010, is now being helmed by Tarzan's Chris Buck, with music by Robert Lopez and his wife Kristen (Winnie the Pooh). The film is currently slated for release in November 2013.

From A Destination D recap on the DisneyPinForum by disneycrazee :

They also showed concept art along with final character designs from Frozen (formerly The Snow Queen). When I first heard months ago about the name change and the fact that they were no longer animating it traditionally, I was disappointed. I was still slightly disappointed when I saw the character design for one of the sisters, Anna, mainly because I was expecting something a little more...fantastical? But then they showed us Elsa, whose design I fell in love with immediately (and I couldn't help but think, she would make a gorgeous LE doll! lol). We were also treated to a performance of one of Elsa's songs in the movie, "Let It Go". It's a powerful ballad, and it's still in my head!

From A Destination D Review on Micechat by Disneyland 1951:

The amazing highlight was the fall 2013 movie "Frozen". They showed art, storyboards, and told much of the story. They had a live presentation of a Song from Frozen that was wonderful and moving. The background art looks great. The main characters are two beautiful princess sisters from Norway.

From A Destination D review by LaurasMiscMusings:

A preview of next year's animated musical Frozen (2013), a telling of The Snow Queen. It looks gorgeous, with some of the artwork reminiscent of Mary Blair's style. Idina Menzel of Broadway's Wicked and Disney's Enchanted (2007) voices the title role, with Kristen Bell co-starring.

Disneycrazee independently adds that the style of Anna reminds her of the Mary Blair-style short in Melody Time:



[Anna] definitely does NOT look like that, but I think it's the winter setting, the very sweet and innocent look to her that made me think of this character from Melody Time. I can say, though, that Anna looks pretty young...

Whereas Anna has a much softer look to her, Elsa is edgier, sharper. Her hair is shorter and white (or at least it appeared white to me). She has a much more regal air about her.

Kristoff's look pairs well with Anna. It's hard to remember now, but I want to say broad-shouldered while still having that "softer" look about him. Very mountain man-ish.

Olaf is a goofy little snowman. Director Chris Buck was talking to us about when you make your first pancake, it's not perfect...maybe even black on the bottom. He said Olaf is Elsa's first pancake. He has an enormous curving carrot nose, and a scrawny body that makes him look like the rest of him just melted off.


And DVDizzy member Lnds500 pointed out - remember Hans, the 'princely' character described in the last Frozen post?

Hans Christian Andersen
Hans Kristoff Anna


Big ups to Sotiris on the DVDizzy.com boards (here and here) for putting together these excerpts.
 
 
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Sailor Donut: Tiana and frog Naveenjeweledeyes on August 14th, 2012 08:58 am (UTC)
Okay, I had heard about the name change but I definitely missed the CG memo. Does this mean they're shutting down their hand-drawn animation unit AGAIN? After just one film? (Or I guess 2 if Winnie-the-Pooh was part of that, not sure on all the technical details.) Disney, I am so disappoint. Way to give up without even trying.
Sakura123: FanFicweber_dubois22 on August 14th, 2012 09:22 am (UTC)
Giving up is Disney's schtick. They'd sooner blame the issues that start from within on the opposition team (directly or indirectly), or sweep it right under the rug without going back to the drawing board and declaring, "okay, here's what we did wrong, let's try to rework/fix it." Nope, it's "This is the thing that's working, let's go with that instead."
nevrafirenevrafire on August 14th, 2012 12:24 pm (UTC)
?!?!
sisters?!

I now think they are going outlandish and weird on purpose.

Edited at 2012-08-14 07:17 pm (UTC)
Amanda D Wolfe (pen name): OP: treasuresiren on August 14th, 2012 01:40 pm (UTC)
Is it weird that the idea of the Snow Queen and Anna (the non-Gerda as I think of her...) being sisters, makes me more interested and/or slightly excited about seeing it?

Also -- I love your hypothetical ending. I feel like it would be a nice nod to season parallels, without necessarily decrying winter or wintry environments as bad (dangerous surely but that's not the same thing, I think.)
Anako: Tangled// Floooooweriki_teru on August 15th, 2012 08:29 am (UTC)
I thought the same thing about the sisters thing! Like... now I'm intrigued and I feel like it'll be a bit more like "Brave" with the FEELINGS and reconciliation theme?

Even if Anna doesn't get powers, if she just makes her sister realize that her gift doesn't have to be DOOM AND GLOOM and that there must be winter for there to be spring kind of thing, I'll be excited

(at this point though, I'm still irked that they're trying to insist this is based off the snow queen. they could have just been like "HEY, RANDOM FAIRY TALE. IT HAS A SNOW QUEEN BUT IT'S NOT THE SNOW QUEEN, K?K."
Amanda D Wolfe (pen name): OP: treasuresiren on August 15th, 2012 12:28 pm (UTC)
I agree with your last point. If anything, it reminds me more of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, than Anderson's Snow Queen. I say this mostly because I feel the fairy tale is a relatively compact story that wouldn't have needed (I think) as much revision as it seems Disney needed to do. What was so difficult with the original version, I wonder?
Ren: iheartbeastakichan on August 14th, 2012 01:56 pm (UTC)
This sounds sort of like they took Tangled and Brave and mashed them up together, seriously, but with sister issues instead of mommy issues.

I'm still really not happy with the COMPLETE departure from the original fairy tale, which was beautiful and one of Hans Christian Andersen's LESS MESSED UP to begin with (Of all the Issues with a Capital MESSED UP stories he wrote, they pick one of the least screwy ones and change it more than they did HUNCHBACK?!).

Also boo, CGI.

I bet they completely redo the Norway pavilion at Epcot for this around movie release.
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Abigail: Rapunzel at the Windowmdmbrightside on August 14th, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
There may be some element of the demon glass in there - in some way Kristoff loses his ability to empathize and abandons Anna to go with Elsa - but I doubt the literal demon mirror will be in there. To be honest, beyond a plot device to make Kai act a certain way, it has nothing to do with the story.
organicfantasy: Coutureorganicfantasy on August 15th, 2012 07:44 pm (UTC)
Pretty much.
dark_rapunzeldark_rapunzel on August 14th, 2012 01:56 pm (UTC)
Are they both blondes? Again? When are they going to have another brown haired princess type? Belle is the only one. Rapunzel might semi-count but not really. The rest are either variations of blonde, two redheads (three if you count Cindy), and the a bunch of black haired beauties. But there is only one brown haired white girl.
Obsidian Blackbird McKnight: Isabel2ladracul on August 14th, 2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
Has anyone seen the one with Bridget Fonda? This is sorta sounding a lot like this. Only that one sticks to the original story...

http://youtu.be/IEojXa6voVo

I do agree with weber, there were just some things about some of the newer princess movies I didn't agree with and it's because it just didn't help the story or didn't need to be there. Of course, NOT calling it "The Snow Queen" is a good start in this case...
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Obsidian Blackbird McKnight: Leezarladracul on August 14th, 2012 08:54 pm (UTC)
Funny you should mention that one, that was the basis for a chapter of "Once Upon a Time"/"Your Highness" fanfiction I was writing. :)
rizbef: amaltheaemharri on August 15th, 2012 12:37 am (UTC)
I really enjoyed that version because it did stick to the original story. This new Disney version though... at this point I can't even think of it being related to The Snow Queen or I'll be disappointed when I go see it.
Prettytails: ♥ Marieprettytails on August 14th, 2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
I will have to see this just for Elsa.
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katyanoctiskatyanoctis on August 16th, 2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
Agreed, honestly. It'd be so great to see that, and I'm pretty disappointed that we won't. Though, the Russian studio version will I think have that element to the story.

It does sound like a neat story on its own, and I'd like to see it...it just doesn't sound like The Snow Queen anymore.
Prospero's Daughter: belle (big_blue_bin)newmoonstar on August 15th, 2012 05:18 am (UTC)
Two princesses? Really? Does every heroine have to be a princess? I love princesses and all, but it seems like Disney is more concerned with marketing dolls in sparkly dresses than in making new & different movies.

But I'm trying not to have any expectations about this movie, since really it doesn't have anything to do with Anderson's 'The Snow Queen' at all anymore. It's pretty much an original story at this point, so I wish Disney would stop labeling it as being even 'loosely based' on Anderson, because it just makes those of us who would have liked to see an adaptation of that story disappointed whenever we hear how much it deviates from it. If they'd just said: "Hey, we're making a generic fantasy story with snow!" I'd have been more willing to go with whatever craziness they come up with. So I'm trying to think of it that way! After all, a fantasy story with princesses and snow might be kind of fun. No sense worrying about it till we see it anyway!
Anakoiki_teru on August 15th, 2012 08:30 am (UTC)
THIS
chukka_chukka: HORRORchukka_chukka on August 15th, 2012 08:30 am (UTC)
NO, NO, NO!!! I want the classic tale, I want Gerda and Kay!!!
Abigail: Kingdom Hearts Squaremdmbrightside on August 15th, 2012 10:10 am (UTC)
It is getting to that "of concern" point, where a girl can't be in a movie without also being a Princess. It's weird, because I can also see the flipside of little girls disparaging a heroine because she's not a Princess and that's what they've absorbed thus far is the best kind of female character. And if they're not a Princess, what's wrong with them? When kids get a little older I think they can be more open to the idea of 'just' a heroine, but the target audience is presumably coming out of this over-saturated Princess culture.

But I like your attitude about the film. We can't call it on what's been released so far - all we can pretty much say the Snow Queen as written isn't the movie Disney's producing. Though if Disney didn't acknowledge the very loosely "based on," the press and fans would draw the comparison anyway. I'm interested to see if Frozen carries through some of the Snow Queen's themes about perseverance and being overly-intellectual vs emotion and empathy.
ChingAijaejoongtsu on August 15th, 2012 04:45 pm (UTC)
I'm starting to think that they keep the "loosely based" so that they can keep the characters NOT POC and when people do call them out on it, their fans will jump down their throats with false fairytale knowledge about how "accurate" it is to the original.
ballerina_222ballerina_222 on August 16th, 2012 02:28 am (UTC)
Which is also such a lame excuse. There are versions of fairy tales from all over the world so having a story be based on a fairy tale is no excuse for having no POC. Fairy tales don't have to be set in Europe for them to have that fairytale quality.
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dark_rapunzeldark_rapunzel on August 16th, 2012 03:16 pm (UTC)
Oh yes please!!!!!!!!!!

I would also like to see an African fairytale set IN AFRICA. I don't know why they haven't done one yet. There are so many folk tales and stories.
chukka_chukkachukka_chukka on August 16th, 2012 10:24 pm (UTC)
Russian fairy tales are GREAT, I'm waiting for "The little humpbacked horse" and "Baba Yaga and Vasilissa the beautiful".
ChingAijaejoongtsu on August 16th, 2012 05:43 pm (UTC)
Yes! This is why I hate the arguments for Brave and have a personal gripe with Princess and the frog. All the movies set in Eurasia (Aladdin) had some BIG payoff that even the main herione did not see coming. Snow White wanting a prince; gets dwarve friends, her prince AND a heavenly castle, Belle wanting adventure; getting an enchanted castle, a luxurious library AND a prince in disguise. There just was not that same grand payoff for Tiana. It all just seemed too.....real.
cookie_queen7 on March 25th, 2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
I was really hoping that Frozen would be more like the original fairy tale. The movie still seems like it will be good, but as a movie of it's own, not an adaptation of The Snow Queen. Also:

Has anyone else noticed how similar Anna's name is to Tiana's?

If Anna joins the disney princess line up as the 12th member, which, by the looks of things, probably will happen, there will be 2 princesses with practically identical names. (I guess Tiana would just be a slightly longer version on Anna.) I'm not quite sure how I feel about the name Gerda, (the name from the original story) but it certainly is unique and differentiation wouldn't have been an issue. What does everyone else think about the choice for Anna's name? I wonder how they even thought of it in the first place.

(I really like the name Anna. I just think they might've picked a different name since there's already a princess named Tiana.)